Should we pay for GW? - Guild Wars Forums

fezz47 · Sep 25, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

The most disappointing thing about GW is not the game itself. I have finished most of the PvE campaign with the exception of UW and FOW, and recently tried some PvP, both in the 4 X 4 random arenas and the team arenas. While I find the economy in the game and trading system lacking, the game itself is great. It???s the community that sucks IMO.

I thought is was bad in the PvE part of the game with the whiners, rudeness, and people insisting of getting the ???perfect group??? for a mission. God, you spend more time finding a group than playing. But PvP is even worse. It really is unbelievable. When you first start PvP, you???re pretty much a newb all over again, and subject to the usual bullshit with the ??? Stupid noob!??? freakin faggot! Etc etc. And that I can put up with, but the thing that annoys me the most are that people are just such big babies and take the game WAY to seriously! This game is supposed to be played for fun. Not like your life depended on it.

I???m new to this genre, with the exception of Asherons Call 2 which I played for a couple of months prior to GW. While that game had it???s share of problems, (and in the process of being shut down), it had a very supportive close knit community. Most of the people playing that game were friendly intelligent gamers and played the game to enjoy it. People actually went out of their way to help out a new player.

In GW, if you have a question on gameplay, don???t bother asking anyone in-game, as you???re most likely to get either no response at all or ???STFU noob!??? You have to rely on guild mates or the forums to get any info. Thank God for this forum. At least people here will take the time to answer questions. Other than this and a couple other GW forums, it???s the only place I???ve found intelligent people, which is pretty sad.

As bad as I feel to say this, I for one would rather pay a monthly fee, and weed out a lot of the idiots playing now.

ttujc · Sep 25, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07

paying will not keep out the idiots...

Dakota Collins · Sep 25, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07

/signed.

agreed.

Akimb0 · Sep 25, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

you've n00bed yourself...deal with it. GW isnt good enough to be worth paying for.

Veripare · Sep 25, 2005, 07:25 PM // 19:25

This will get locked seeing as this has been discussed over and over and over again, only to end up in flames and people crying T_T

Maika Boila Radovu · Sep 25, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Weird I like the game and havent found any real mean people. Most are willing to help answer questions, give new players some start up gold/items, run ppl to different locations. I really havent noticed any of the problems you have.

mortalis doleo · Sep 25, 2005, 08:14 PM // 20:14

i think it depends on the kind of server (american/european/korean), and i wont say anymore

Shwitz · Sep 25, 2005, 08:31 PM // 20:31

I agree that the greater portion of the general GW community consists of childish l33t speakers, but a pay-per-month fee is not the answer. There really is no way from keeping that kind of people from playing the game. Furthermore, its not in ArenaNet's best interest to discourage certain people from buying the game. A gamer who doesn't want to deal with the general GW community just has to play with people he/she knows, form a guild with people he/she likes, and when all else fails, take matters into his or her own hands and form pick-up groups selectively with a few PC's and henchmen. As for PvP, turn off community chat in arena districts and game with guildies...

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 25, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Children (and indeed immature adults) exist in all online games...it's a sad fact. Best we can do is try to ignore them.
Failing that, you can report anyone who you know are in breach of their End User License Agreement. Guild Wars support don't expect anyone to take the shite that people spew out into the game.

You have a right as a player to enjoy your gaming experience. Don't let them drag you down the pan.

LifeInfusion · Sep 25, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

agreed. Its the people. In beta it ROCKED. Now it is just above average...

fezz47 · Sep 25, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

I"m not talking about so much about mean people, I'm talking about people that show no respect for other players. I could care less if someone is "mean" to me.

As an example, in the random arena, you start out with 4 people and do a PvP "mission". The problem is, if you start the mission and one of your teamates dies, half the time, at least one of the remaining people on your team will just "drop out" of the game thinking they can't win, so why bother? This leaves you and whatever teamates still there at a huge disadvantage.

I'll always keep playing even if I'm the only member still in the match. It's good experience and you learn as much, if not more by losing, than by winning a lot of the time. Then you get the blame game. Someone dies. "REZ ME!". Now, if no one does.
"WTF? Freakin noob! Idiot!"

It's like a 3 yr old being denied their bottle of moo moo. Wah wah!

As far as helping out newer players, I have done that myself. A couple of weeks ago, I went to Ascalon and started giving away some fur squares, and other assorted items to people just to be a nice guy. And I swear, approx. half of the people I "gave" stuff to didn't even bother to thank me. So long sucker lol.

I don't know. Guess I'm just burned out on the game. I don't mean to sound negative about the game in gen, cause I've certainly gotten my moneys worth and more, and have a lot of fun chatting w/guildies. Just wish some of these people would grow up a bit and have a little more fun with the game.

Charcoal Ann · Sep 25, 2005, 09:31 PM // 21:31

no monthly fee! don't give ANet ideas.... *looks hurredly around room and tries to hide thread*

Phrozenflame · Sep 25, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

I dunno, I've had v. little bad experience, I just ask something, ppl either reply to me there or wisper me the reply..so I dont find it bad...and if someone is in need, even I reply to them and tell them what they needed to know.

If you help someone, that person will take it as an impression from you and will others..thats the way to make community btr.

Nick Hexon · Sep 25, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

I bought the game to play a MMORPG for free. If i wanted to pay for a game monthly I would have bought World of Warcraft.

melbo · Sep 25, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Nick Hexon

I bought the game to play a MMORPG for free. If i wanted to pay for a game monthly I would have bought World of Warcraft.

Ditto, I've seen the same kind of stuff going on in WoW when my friend was playing...a monthly fee isn't going to change anything except make those of us NOT willing to pay to play drop out of the game.

You don't like the immature people? Turn off local/trade chats. Or go on during the day or late at night when the kiddies are asleep. I see a huge difference in the crowd since I sign on around 9 PM...when i sign on earlier it can get really immature.

OverlordTyrael · Sep 25, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by fezz47

The most disappointing thing about GW is not the game itself. I have finished most of the PvE campaign with the exception of UW and FOW, and recently tried some PvP, both in the 4 X 4 random arenas and the team arenas. While I find the economy in the game and trading system lacking, the game itself is great. It???s the community that sucks IMO.

I thought is was bad in the PvE part of the game with the whiners, rudeness, and people insisting of getting the ???perfect group??? for a mission. God, you spend more time finding a group than playing. But PvP is even worse. It really is unbelievable. When you first start PvP, you???re pretty much a newb all over again, and subject to the usual bullshit with the ??? Stupid noob!??? freakin faggot! Etc etc. And that I can put up with, but the thing that annoys me the most are that people are just such big babies and take the game WAY to seriously! This game is supposed to be played for fun. Not like your life depended on it.

I???m new to this genre, with the exception of Asherons Call 2 which I played for a couple of months prior to GW. While that game had it???s share of problems, (and in the process of being shut down), it had a very supportive close knit community. Most of the people playing that game were friendly intelligent gamers and played the game to enjoy it. People actually went out of their way to help out a new player.

In GW, if you have a question on gameplay, don???t bother asking anyone in-game, as you???re most likely to get either no response at all or ???STFU noob!??? You have to rely on guild mates or the forums to get any info. Thank God for this forum. At least people here will take the time to answer questions. Other than this and a couple other GW forums, it???s the only place I???ve found intelligent people, which is pretty sad.

As bad as I feel to say this, I for one would rather pay a monthly fee, and weed out a lot of the idiots playing now.

I personally have not had this experience. I've found nearly everyone on Guild Wars supportive. For example, when I was just a newbie in Beacon's Perch, a total stranger offered to run me to Droknar's Forge free of charge and then gave me 10k for my forge armor. I've never forgotten this, and now, after I've made my million gold, I help out anyone who asks for gold and/or help whenever I can. I can tell you right now that World of Warcraft has a much much worse community than Guild Wars. Because the game is pay to play, I found in my short time in the game that most people were not willing to waste their "precious" time and gold to help out new players. Be thankful for the Guild Wars community. If you have had a bad experience, don't use it to judge everyone else.

Alone) · Sep 25, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Akimb0

you've n00bed yourself...deal with it. GW isnt good enough to be worth paying for.

Whoa now. Talk, but no walk. Can't back up what you're saying eh?

Anyways, Anet wanted people to play without having to pay a monthly fee, so that people can enjoy. Dealing with all annoying people and what not is just how it in real life too.

I feel that if you had to pay for GW, you would NOT weed out "idiots." For I feel that more smug and snotty people who can afford things more than others, are more idiotic. Whever you go, there WILL be idiots. Until we all mature.

Kai Nui · Sep 25, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Hell no. I paid 50 bucks so I didn't pay monthly. The game I was playing prior was 5 bucks a month and I played it for more than 10 months, so this game is better. Monthly fees will not keep idiots out, it will just force them to pay to play. I think you should be ashamed for suggesting this, seriously.

Ultimate_Gaara · Sep 25, 2005, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Look at wow, it has fees and is has more immature morons than GW could ever cook up... fees stop nothing, little kids don't care if its not their money

A NERD1989 · Sep 25, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

i dont fully understand but if you need help join a guild with 50+ members

Sep 25, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03	#1
fezz47 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	Should we pay for GW? The most disappointing thing about GW is not the game itself. I have finished most of the PvE campaign with the exception of UW and FOW, and recently tried some PvP, both in the 4 X 4 random arenas and the team arenas. While I find the economy in the game and trading system lacking, the game itself is great. It???s the community that sucks IMO. I thought is was bad in the PvE part of the game with the whiners, rudeness, and people insisting of getting the ???perfect group??? for a mission. God, you spend more time finding a group than playing. But PvP is even worse. It really is unbelievable. When you first start PvP, you???re pretty much a newb all over again, and subject to the usual bullshit with the ??? Stupid noob!??? freakin faggot! Etc etc. And that I can put up with, but the thing that annoys me the most are that people are just such big babies and take the game WAY to seriously! This game is supposed to be played for fun. Not like your life depended on it. I???m new to this genre, with the exception of Asherons Call 2 which I played for a couple of months prior to GW. While that game had it???s share of problems, (and in the process of being shut down), it had a very supportive close knit community. Most of the people playing that game were friendly intelligent gamers and played the game to enjoy it. People actually went out of their way to help out a new player. In GW, if you have a question on gameplay, don???t bother asking anyone in-game, as you???re most likely to get either no response at all or ???STFU noob!??? You have to rely on guild mates or the forums to get any info. Thank God for this forum. At least people here will take the time to answer questions. Other than this and a couple other GW forums, it???s the only place I???ve found intelligent people, which is pretty sad. As bad as I feel to say this, I for one would rather pay a monthly fee, and weed out a lot of the idiots playing now. Last edited by fezz47; Sep 25, 2005 at 07:14 PM // 19:14..

Sep 25, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28	#11
fezz47 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	I"m not talking about so much about mean people, I'm talking about people that show no respect for other players. I could care less if someone is "mean" to me. As an example, in the random arena, you start out with 4 people and do a PvP "mission". The problem is, if you start the mission and one of your teamates dies, half the time, at least one of the remaining people on your team will just "drop out" of the game thinking they can't win, so why bother? This leaves you and whatever teamates still there at a huge disadvantage. I'll always keep playing even if I'm the only member still in the match. It's good experience and you learn as much, if not more by losing, than by winning a lot of the time. Then you get the blame game. Someone dies. "REZ ME!". Now, if no one does. "WTF? Freakin noob! Idiot!" It's like a 3 yr old being denied their bottle of moo moo. Wah wah! As far as helping out newer players, I have done that myself. A couple of weeks ago, I went to Ascalon and started giving away some fur squares, and other assorted items to people just to be a nice guy. And I swear, approx. half of the people I "gave" stuff to didn't even bother to thank me. So long sucker lol. I don't know. Guess I'm just burned out on the game. I don't mean to sound negative about the game in gen, cause I've certainly gotten my moneys worth and more, and have a lot of fun chatting w/guildies. Just wish some of these people would grow up a bit and have a little more fun with the game. Last edited by fezz47; Sep 25, 2005 at 09:31 PM // 21:31..

Sep 25, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07	#2
ttujc Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Council of Exiles [CX] Profession: Mo/	paying will not keep out the idiots...

Sep 25, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07	#3
Dakota Collins Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Cold Fusion Profession: Mo/E	/signed. agreed.

Sep 25, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19	#4
Akimb0 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: Rt/N	you've n00bed yourself...deal with it. GW isnt good enough to be worth paying for.

Sep 25, 2005, 07:25 PM // 19:25	#5
Veripare Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada, Ontario	This will get locked seeing as this has been discussed over and over and over again, only to end up in flames and people crying T_T

Sep 25, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43	#6
Maika Boila Radovu Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: White Rock, BC Guild: Starfleet Intelligence Guild Profession: R/Mo	Weird I like the game and havent found any real mean people. Most are willing to help answer questions, give new players some start up gold/items, run ppl to different locations. I really havent noticed any of the problems you have.

Sep 25, 2005, 08:14 PM // 20:14	#7
mortalis doleo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: my house Guild: The Cutting Edge [TCE] Profession: N/	i think it depends on the kind of server (american/european/korean), and i wont say anymore

Sep 25, 2005, 08:31 PM // 20:31	#8
Shwitz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Coast, USA Guild: Not a Guild [NaG] Profession: R/	I agree that the greater portion of the general GW community consists of childish l33t speakers, but a pay-per-month fee is not the answer. There really is no way from keeping that kind of people from playing the game. Furthermore, its not in ArenaNet's best interest to discourage certain people from buying the game. A gamer who doesn't want to deal with the general GW community just has to play with people he/she knows, form a guild with people he/she likes, and when all else fails, take matters into his or her own hands and form pick-up groups selectively with a few PC's and henchmen. As for PvP, turn off community chat in arena districts and game with guildies...

Sep 25, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42	#9
Tactical-Dillusions Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grimsby, UK Profession: R/	Children (and indeed immature adults) exist in all online games...it's a sad fact. Best we can do is try to ignore them. Failing that, you can report anyone who you know are in breach of their End User License Agreement. Guild Wars support don't expect anyone to take the shite that people spew out into the game. You have a right as a player to enjoy your gaming experience. Don't let them drag you down the pan.

Sep 25, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43	#10
LifeInfusion Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: in the midline Profession: E/Mo	agreed. Its the people. In beta it ROCKED. Now it is just above average...

Sep 25, 2005, 09:31 PM // 21:31	#12
Charcoal Ann Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In a World of BADGERS! Guild: Eternal Flame Brotherhood	no monthly fee! don't give ANet ideas.... looks hurredly around room and tries to hide thread

Sep 25, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50	#13
Phrozenflame Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2005	I dunno, I've had v. little bad experience, I just ask something, ppl either reply to me there or wisper me the reply..so I dont find it bad...and if someone is in need, even I reply to them and tell them what they needed to know. If you help someone, that person will take it as an impression from you and will others..thats the way to make community btr.

Sep 25, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53	#14
Nick Hexon Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: 311 Profession: W/E	I bought the game to play a MMORPG for free. If i wanted to pay for a game monthly I would have bought World of Warcraft.

Sep 25, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16	#18
Kai Nui Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you with a knife Guild: Celebrity Gangsters [FamE] Profession: Me/	Hell no. I paid 50 bucks so I didn't pay monthly. The game I was playing prior was 5 bucks a month and I played it for more than 10 months, so this game is better. Monthly fees will not keep idiots out, it will just force them to pay to play. I think you should be ashamed for suggesting this, seriously.

Sep 25, 2005, 11:00 PM // 23:00	#19
Ultimate_Gaara Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?	Look at wow, it has fees and is has more immature morons than GW could ever cook up... fees stop nothing, little kids don't care if its not their money

Sep 25, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18	#20
A NERD1989 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Elite Black Ops Profession: W/Mo	i dont fully understand but if you need help join a guild with 50+ members